Comments on: 21 wickets http://www.cricketwithballs.com/2009/11/21/24-wickets/ Cricket is like syphilis Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:09:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: raj http://www.cricketwithballs.com/2009/11/21/24-wickets/comment-page-1/#comment-25536 raj Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:57:03 +0000 http://www.cricketwithballs.com/?p=7292#comment-25536 And one more thing, jrod, about giving wickets to Clarke, an Indian team is capable of giving wickets to anyone. Lance Klusenere made a stunning debut against us - and never quite lived up to that performance in tests. Even Carl Hooper has match winning spells against us. So, Clarke taking wickets against India doesnt necessarily imply a bad pitch. I mean, he took 3 wickets in one over(2?) in Sydney remember? India is capable of such mind-numbing incompetence. We just live with it. Also, in the same Mumbai pitch, Tendulkar and Laxman showed their skills, If we accept that a test match tests out all kinds of situations on you, maybe this Mumbai test serves as notice of Tendulkar and Laxman's supreme skills. It just shouldnt matter 2 days or 3 days. And one more thing, jrod, about giving wickets to Clarke, an Indian team is capable of giving wickets to anyone. Lance Klusenere made a stunning debut against us – and never quite lived up to that performance in tests. Even Carl Hooper has match winning spells against us. So, Clarke taking wickets against India doesnt necessarily imply a bad pitch.

I mean, he took 3 wickets in one over(2?) in Sydney remember? India is capable of such mind-numbing incompetence. We just live with it.

Also, in the same Mumbai pitch, Tendulkar and Laxman showed their skills, If we accept that a test match tests out all kinds of situations on you, maybe this Mumbai test serves as notice of Tendulkar and Laxman’s supreme skills. It just shouldnt matter 2 days or 3 days.

]]> By: jogesh99 http://www.cricketwithballs.com/2009/11/21/24-wickets/comment-page-1/#comment-25534 jogesh99 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:57:58 +0000 http://www.cricketwithballs.com/?p=7292#comment-25534 The last Kanpur test that drew much censure http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/332913.html I watched much of it, it was a great test - especially Ganguly's batting. One collapse by whitey and the ICC begins to bray. To SA's credit, they said they expected it and if they were one down, they would prepare a track to suit their bowlers too: "What was most remarkable about the South African team might not come through just by looking at these numbers. They were given a pitch that might have had other touring teams complaining bitterly. The South Africans, on the other hand, made no complaints - their captain and coach even mentioned that they wouldn't hesitate to give the tourists a greentop if they were looking to come back in a home series - and instead went ahead and gave it their best shot. This was in stark contrast to Ricky Ponting's team that lost in Mumbai in 2004-05. " - Sidharth Monga The last Kanpur test that drew much censure
http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/332913.html

I watched much of it, it was a great test – especially Ganguly’s batting.
One collapse by whitey and the ICC begins to bray. To SA’s credit, they said they expected it and if they were one down, they would prepare a track to suit their bowlers too:

“What was most remarkable about the South African team might not come through just by looking at these numbers. They were given a pitch that might have had other touring teams complaining bitterly. The South Africans, on the other hand, made no complaints – their captain and coach even mentioned that they wouldn’t hesitate to give the tourists a greentop if they were looking to come back in a home series – and instead went ahead and gave it their best shot. This was in stark contrast to Ricky Ponting’s team that lost in Mumbai in 2004-05. ” – Sidharth Monga

]]> By: raj http://www.cricketwithballs.com/2009/11/21/24-wickets/comment-page-1/#comment-25533 raj Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:32:32 +0000 http://www.cricketwithballs.com/?p=7292#comment-25533 Thats nice to say jrod but the curator's got a job to keep. Keep in mind that the pitch had nothing to do with Harbhajan's pathetic performance - if he bowled like that, he wouldnt have got a wicket anywhere except a minefield. Yes, even Murali struggled but atleast he tried. He showed why he is what he is with his attitude of fighting until the end. Most indian bowlers threw in the towel much early in the game. That is not the pitch's fault. I suspect if we'd have had the same result if Australia were involved - because they keep trying and dont throw in the towel. I d'd be sad if the criticism on pitch distracted people from the incompetence of bowlers like Harbhajan. And I thought we once used to have timeless tests - like, sixth day and all - wonder what kind of pitches let the batsmen pile up until the sixth day. Wonder if test cricket was considered to be dying after that match. Wonder if the host board was hauled up after that match by newspapers and fans. Thats nice to say jrod but the curator’s got a job to keep. Keep in mind that the pitch had nothing to do with Harbhajan’s pathetic performance – if he bowled like that, he wouldnt have got a wicket anywhere except a minefield. Yes, even Murali struggled but atleast he tried. He showed why he is what he is with his attitude of fighting until the end. Most indian bowlers threw in the towel much early in the game. That is not the pitch’s fault. I suspect if we’d have had the same result if Australia were involved – because they keep trying and dont throw in the towel.
I d’d be sad if the criticism on pitch distracted people from the incompetence of bowlers like Harbhajan.

And I thought we once used to have timeless tests – like, sixth day and all – wonder what kind of pitches let the batsmen pile up until the sixth day. Wonder if test cricket was considered to be dying after that match. Wonder if the host board was hauled up after that match by newspapers and fans.

]]> By: alex http://www.cricketwithballs.com/2009/11/21/24-wickets/comment-page-1/#comment-25526 alex Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:36:24 +0000 http://www.cricketwithballs.com/?p=7292#comment-25526 "hope he do not go nutz and do monkey dance" need edit function in this blog “hope he do not go nutz and do monkey dance”

need edit function in this blog

]]> By: alex http://www.cricketwithballs.com/2009/11/21/24-wickets/comment-page-1/#comment-25525 alex Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:35:41 +0000 http://www.cricketwithballs.com/?p=7292#comment-25525 I really think India should make seaming wicket against srilankans to nullify srilankan spin threat. India do not have spinners anyway. Bhajji is finished when kumble retired. Misra hand is so small ball comes out before he bowls. hahaha. Ojha is a vanilla bowler. Nothing special. Bhajji may be good against aussies not against srilanka. India won't win this series , may lose it if wickets are spin friendly. Make seaming wicket bring sreesanth and hope he do go nutz and do monkey dance on the middle of pitch. whole of kerala will hate him and throw him in arabian see if he do that. I really think India should make seaming wicket against srilankans to nullify srilankan spin threat. India do not have spinners anyway. Bhajji is finished when kumble retired. Misra hand is so small ball comes out before he bowls. hahaha. Ojha is a vanilla bowler. Nothing special.

Bhajji may be good against aussies not against srilanka.

India won’t win this series , may lose it if wickets are spin friendly.

Make seaming wicket bring sreesanth and hope he do go nutz and do monkey dance on the middle of pitch. whole of kerala will hate him and throw him in arabian see if he do that.

]]> By: jrod http://www.cricketwithballs.com/2009/11/21/24-wickets/comment-page-1/#comment-25511 jrod Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:56:45 +0000 http://www.cricketwithballs.com/?p=7292#comment-25511 The ECB told off Cardiff because a ball spun too much in a domestic one dayer. People are idiots Raj, doesn't mean you shouldn't try make a good pitch. Regardless of what country you are in. The ECB told off Cardiff because a ball spun too much in a domestic one dayer. People are idiots Raj, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try make a good pitch. Regardless of what country you are in.

]]> By: raj http://www.cricketwithballs.com/2009/11/21/24-wickets/comment-page-1/#comment-25510 raj Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:51:33 +0000 http://www.cricketwithballs.com/?p=7292#comment-25510 Jrod, did you know that kanpur eceived a showcause from icc for a match that went into 5th day? One team scored 350+. Yet icc gave a warning. Why? Because the other team couldn't play spin for nuts. So there it is. Even if a normal pitch ends up in a 5th day result, icc will theaten to ban your venue if incompetent players from some country can't play spin. Avtually, people just don't react if this fact about icc and its blatant bias against spin is bought up. People keep bringing up mumbai 2004 because that suits the stereotype and "villlainous bcci" narrative. Were you aware of this before? Now tell me - if you were a curator, wouldn't you be afraid. Because if there is a result, and by chance some spin, icc will ban you even if india scored 400?and the match went to 5th day as well Jrod, did you know that kanpur eceived a showcause from icc for a match that went into 5th day? One team scored 350+. Yet icc gave a warning. Why? Because the other team couldn’t play spin for nuts. So there it is. Even if a normal pitch ends up in a 5th day result, icc will theaten to ban your venue if incompetent players from some country can’t play spin.

Avtually, people just don’t react if this fact about icc and its blatant bias against spin is bought up. People keep bringing up mumbai 2004 because that suits the stereotype and “villlainous bcci” narrative.

Were you aware of this before? Now tell me – if you were a curator, wouldn’t you be afraid. Because if there is a result, and by chance some spin, icc will ban you even if india scored 400?and the match went to 5th day as well

]]> By: jrod http://www.cricketwithballs.com/2009/11/21/24-wickets/comment-page-1/#comment-25508 jrod Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:39:26 +0000 http://www.cricketwithballs.com/?p=7292#comment-25508 He prepares a wicket that if you bowl well you can earn 40 wickets. It doesn't have to seam sideways, or spin uncontrollably, just get harder to bat on towards the end and perhaps (if we are lucky) a result. All he needs to do is prepare a proper test pitch, if it breaks up in 2 days and Michael Clarke takes wickets he has gone too far. He prepares a wicket that if you bowl well you can earn 40 wickets. It doesn’t have to seam sideways, or spin uncontrollably, just get harder to bat on towards the end and perhaps (if we are lucky) a result. All he needs to do is prepare a proper test pitch, if it breaks up in 2 days and Michael Clarke takes wickets he has gone too far.

]]> By: raj http://www.cricketwithballs.com/2009/11/21/24-wickets/comment-page-1/#comment-25507 raj Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:27:47 +0000 http://www.cricketwithballs.com/?p=7292#comment-25507 That's fine jrod but what does this guy in india do. Atleast elsewhere if you prepae a seaming wicket, you may end up with less censure. Here, all the options are blocked for the poor curator. I think he should go ahead with a spinning pitch and pocket a bonus from dhoni but what if the icc bans the venue for assisting spin, and the home association dismisses him from his job? That’s fine jrod but what does this guy in india do. Atleast elsewhere if you prepae a seaming wicket, you may end up with less censure. Here, all the options are blocked for the poor curator. I think he should go ahead with a spinning pitch and pocket a bonus from dhoni but what if the icc bans the venue for assisting spin, and the home association dismisses him from his job?

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